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Then now, Thrasymachus, there is no longer any doubt that neither

arts nor governments provide for their own interests; but, as we

were before saying, they rule and provide for the interests of

their subjects who are the weaker and not the stronger-to their

good they attend and not to the good of the superior. And this is

the reason, my dear Thrasymachus, why, as I was just now saying,

no one is willing to govern; because no one likes to take in hand

the reformation of evils which are not his concern without

remuneration. For, in the execution of his work, and in giving

his orders to another, the true artist does not regard his own

interest, but always that of his subjects; and therefore in order

that rulers may be willing to rule, they must be paid in one of

three modes of payment, money, or honour, or a penalty for

refusing.