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And the unjust man will strive and struggle to obtain more than

the unjust man or action, in order that he may have more than

all?

True.

We may put the matter thus, I said-the just does not desire more

than his like but more than his unlike, whereas the unjust

desires more than both his like and his unlike?

Nothing, he said, can be better than that statement.

And the unjust is good and wise, and the just is neither?

Good again, he said.

And is not the unjust like the wise and good and the just unlike

them?

Of course, he said, he who is of a certain nature, is like those

who are of a certain nature; he who is not, not.

Each of them, I said, is such as his like is?

Certainly, he replied.

Very good, Thrasymachus, I said; and now to take the case of the

arts: you would admit that one man is a musician and another not

a musician?

Yes.

And which is wise and which is foolish?

Clearly the musician is wise, and he who is not a musician is

foolish.