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And the pilot likewise, in the strict sense of the term, is a

ruler of sailors and not a mere sailor?

That has been admitted.

And such a pilot and ruler will provide and prescribe for the

interest of the sailor who is under him, and not for his own or

the ruler's interest?

He gave a reluctant 'Yes.'

Then, I said, Thrasymachus, there is no one in any rule who, in

so far as he is a ruler, considers or enjoins what is for his own

interest, but always what is for the interest of his subject or

suitable to his art; to that he looks, and that alone he

considers in everything which he says and does.

When we had got to this point in the argument, and every one saw

that the definition of justice had been completely upset,

Thrasymachus, instead of replying to me, said: Tell me, Socrates,

have you got a nurse?

Why do you ask such a question, I said, when you ought rather to

be answering?