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There is the knowledge of the carpenter; but is that the sort of

knowledge which gives a city the title of wise and good in

counsel?

Certainly not; that would only give a city the reputation of

skill in carpentering.

Then a city is not to be called wise because possessing a

knowledge which counsels for the best about wooden implements?

Certainly not.

Nor by reason of a knowledge which advises about brazen pots, I

said, nor as possessing any other similar knowledge?

Not by reason of any of them, he said.

Nor yet by reason of a knowledge which cultivates the earth; that

would give the city the name of agricultural?

Yes.

Well, I said, and is there any knowledge in our recently-founded

State among any of the citizens which advises, not about any

particular thing in the State, but about the whole, and considers

how a State can best deal with itself and with other States?

There certainly is.

And what is this knowledge, and among whom is it found? I asked.