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Let me further note that the manifold and complex pleasures and

desires and pains are generally found in children and women and

servants, and in the freemen so called who are of the lowest and

more numerous class.

Certainly, he said.

Whereas the simple and moderate desires which follow reason, and

are under the guidance of mind and true opinion, are to be found

only in a few, and those the best born and best educated.

Very true.

These two, as you may perceive, have a place in our State; and

the meaner desires of the many are held down by the virtuous

desires and wisdom of the few.

That I perceive, he said.

Then if there be any city which may be described as master of its

own pleasures and desires, and master of itself, ours may claim

such a designation?

Certainly, he replied.

It may also be called temperate, and for the same reasons?

Yes.

And if there be any State in which rulers and subjects will be

agreed as to the question who are to rule, that again will be our

State?

Undoubtedly.