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With these words I was thinking that I had made an end of the

discussion; but the end, in truth, proved to be only a beginning.

For Glaucon, who is always the most pugnacious of men, was

dissatisfied at Thrasymachus' retirement; he wanted to have the

battle out. So he said to me: Socrates, do you wish really to

persuade us, or only to seem to have persuaded us, that to be

just is always better than to be unjust?

I should wish really to persuade you, I replied, if I could.

Then you certainly have not succeeded. Let me ask you now:-How

would you arrange goods-are there not some which we welcome for

their own sakes, and independently of their consequences, as, for

example, harmless pleasures and enjoyments, which delight us at

the time, although nothing follows from them?

I agree in thinking that there is such a class, I replied.

Is there not also a second class of goods, such as knowledge,

sight, health, which are desirable not only in themselves, but

also for their results?